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Re: A user menu in the wrong position

On 2007-01-31, Katsumi Yamaoka said:

>>>>>> In [emacs-w3m : No.09154] Leo wrote:
>> On 2007-01-31, Katsumi Yamaoka said:
>>> It is because the value of the `menu-bar-final-items' variable[1]
>>> is modified in emacs-w3m buffers locally in order to place the
>>> w3m menu at the forefront of the menu bar.
>> To be honest, I don't know why are those menus being placed in the
>> front. Besides it breaks the convention of what other modes are doing.
> IMO, it is not important to follow such a convention.  I don't think
> the position for the newly added menus are controlled.  If anything,
> it looks being decided by chance.  Anyway, one can control the
> position as one likes.

The point is users will get used to the normal positions of "File"
"Edit" etc. menus but when they are in w3m they would find themselves
reach out for the wrong ones since their positions have been
shifted. This is subtle inconvenience. But if we can't get any
advantage of breaking a convention, maybe following it is a good idea
and I guess the code for this part will be simpler.

>> Anyone else think it is a good idea to make emacs-w3m following this
>> convention?
> I did it since I thought that to place the w3m menu at the front in
> the w3m frame is reasonable.  But I didn't modify the order of menus
> other than the ones for emacs-w3m.  The precise reason the position
> of your menu is different in emacs-w3m buffers is that
> `menu-bar-final-items' contains all the menu items including
> `tools'.  It is necessary for placing the w3m menu in the front.
> Though there might be another way to do it, I don't know so far.
> Regards,

Leo <sdl.web AT gmail.com>                         (GPG Key: 9283AA3F)